I enjoyed this interview with Notion’s CEO, Ivan Zhao over at the Decoder podcast, with substitute host, Casey Newton. What I didn’t quite get when I first used Notion was the “LEGO” aspect of it. Their vision is to build business software that is highly malleable and configurable to do all sorts of things. Here’s Zhao:
Well, because it didn’t quite exist with software. If you think about the last 15 years of [software-as-a-service], it’s largely people building vertical point solutions. For each buyer, for each point, that solution sort of makes sense. The way we describe it is that it’s like a hard plastic solution for your problem, but once you have 20 different hard plastic solutions, they sort of don’t fit well together. You cannot tinker with them. As an end user, you have to jump between half a dozen of them each day.
That’s not quite right, and we’re also inspired by the early computing pioneers who in the ‘60s and ‘70s thought that computing should be more LEGO-like rather than like hard plastic. That’s what got me started working on Notion a long time ago, when I was reading a computer science paper back in college.
From a user experience POV, Notion is both simple and exceedingly complicated. Taking notes is easy. Building the system for a workflow, not so much.
In the second half, Newton (gently) presses Zhao on the impact of AI on the workforce and how productivity software like Notion could replace headcount.
Newton: Do you think that AI and Notion will get to a point where executives will hire fewer people, because Notion will do it for them? Or are you more focused on just helping people do their existing jobs?
Zhao: We’re actually putting out a campaign about this, in the coming weeks or months. We want to push out a more amplifying, positive message about what Notion can do for you. So, imagine the billboard we’re putting out. It’s you in the center. Then, with a tool like Notion or other AI tools, you can have AI teammates. Imagine that you and I start a company. We’re two co-founders, we sign up for Notion, and all of a sudden, we’re supplemented by other AI teammates, some taking notes for us, some triaging, some doing research while we’re sleeping.
Zhao dodges the “hire fewer people” part of the question and instead, answers with “amplifying” people or making them more productive.
